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10/17/12 10/17/12 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] >> from pacifica, this is "dem now!" expanding the debate. >> we have a record to look at. it shows he just has not been able to cut the deficit, to put in place reforms for medicare and social security to preserve them. median income is down. 23 million americans are out of work. >> governor romney says he has a five-point plan. he has a one-point plan. and that plan is to make sure that folks at the top play by a different set of rules. that has been his philosophy in
the private sector and as governor and has been his philosophy as a presidential candidate. >> as president obama and mitt romney sparred at hofstra university, we expand the debate by including the responses of three presidential candidates shut out of last night's debate. jill stein of the green party, was detained for many hours as she tried to into the debate. rocky anderson of the justice the party and virgil goode of the constitution party. >>early are in a crisis. people are losing their jobs, their homes, decent wages, affordable health care and higher education. our civil liberties are under attack in the climate is in meltdown. the wealthy few are making a better than ever. >> we must say no to any more assassinations of u.s. citizens. we must say no to indefinite detention without any semblance of due process and to the continued drone killings that
have made our nation so much less secure. >> you are not going to get that much difference with mitt romney than you have got with barack obama. and barack obama came into office on a great breeze. very little experience. as my brother-in-law said, how is that no experience change working out for you now? >> we will spend the rest of the show rearing parts of last night's presidential debate, pausing the videotape to give third party candidates a chance to respond to the same questions put to the major party candidates. @ll of that and more coming up. this is "democracy now!," democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. president obama and republican challenger mitt romney faced off in the second of three presidential debates tuesday night at hofstra university with a series of sharp exchanges over
domestic and foreign-policy issues. the debate's town hall format saw audience members asking pre approved questions selected by moderator candy crowley of cnn. while president obama was criticized for lukewarm performance in the first debate earlier this month, he appeared more aggressive on tuesday, at times challenging romney over the truthfulness of his claims. following a question about the deadly attack on u.s. embassy in libya last month, obama received a fact checking boost from candy crowley. >> i think it is interesting the president just said something which is that on the day after the attack he went into the rose garden and said this was an act of terror. you said in the rose garden the day after the attack was an act terror. it was not a spontaneous -- is that what you're saying? >> please proceed, governor. >> i want that for the record. it took the president 14 days
before he called it an act of terror. >> he did in fact, sir. let me call it an act of terror. >> can you say that a little louder, candy? >> he did call it an act of terror. it did as well take two weeks or so for the whole idea of there being a riot out there about this tape to come out, you are correct. >> among the topics raised by audience members tuesday night were few largely ignored in the first debate, including immigration policy, gun control, and the gender pay gap. one particular response from mitt romney about recruiting women for cabinet posts in massachusetts went viral. >> we took a concerted effort to go out and find women who had backgrounds that could be qualified to become members of our cabinet. i went to a number of women's groups and asked for them to help find folks. they brought us whole binders full of women. >> the phrase "binders full of women" exploded on social media
tuesday night, at one point receiving 40,000 engines on twitter in one minute. contraception and other so- called women's issues featured more prominently tuesday in the first presidential debate moderated by woman in two decades. the candidates also sparred over unemployment and taxes. >> the president's policies have been exercised over the last four years, and they have not put americans back to work. we have fewer people working today than when the president took office. the unemployment rate was 7.8% sunday took office, 7.8% now. if you calculated that rate taking back the people who dropped out of the workforce, it would be 10.7%. we have not made the progress to put people back to work. that is why i have a five-point plan, getting america 12 million new jobs in four years and rising take-home pay. >> governor romney says he is a five-point plan.
he has a one-point plan. and that plan is to make sure that folks at the top play by different set of rules. that has been his philosophy in the private sector, as governor, has been his philosophy as a presidential candidate. >> green party presidential nominee jill stein and vice presidential candidate cheri honkala were arrested tuesday outside hofstra university after attempting to join the debate. dr. stein condemned what she called a this mock debate, this mockery of a democracy. the third-party candidates were blocked by a solid wall police officers before sitting down on the ground. they were then arrested. >> we're here to stand our ground, stand run for the american people who been systematically locked out of these debates for decades by the commission on presidential debates. we think the commission is entirely legitimate. that if democracy truly prevailed, there would be no such commission, that the
debates would still be run by the league of women voters, that the debates would be open. >> ladies and judgment, your -- @you are obstructing traffic grd if he refused to leave, you'll be arrested. >> we will have more on tuesday night's debate and bring you highlights from "democracy now!" expanded debate later in the broadcast. hundreds of people rallied outside hofstra university tuesday to address some of the issues that are largely excluded from the presidential debate, including the use of drones for targeted killings abroad and the u.s. presence in afghanistan. >> i would like them to say they want the department of peace, want to promote peace, that they want to end war in afghanistan and bring the soldiers home. i would like them to say that. realistically, i know they
probably will not. i want them to also address the fact that war is the big contributor to our deficit and it is never addressed. that is something that i think as far as foreign policy, war is killing us. >> a u.s. court has overturned the terrorism conviction of osama bin laden's former driver and bodyguard shmed hamdan. a former guantanamo prisoner, he was convicted of material support for terrorism in 2008 in the first u.s. military commission trial in decades. on tuesday, court unanimously struck down that conviction because there was so -- no such crime defined under international law at the time. a senior staff attorney for the american civil liberties union said the decision -- the syrian government has rejected a call by u.n. arab
league envoy lakhdar brahimi for a ceasefire during the muslim holiday this month, saying there is no unified rebel leadership to sign such an agreement. rebel groups meanwhile say they have agreed to unify and establish joint leadership in their struggle to oust syrian president bashar al-assad. the unity conference has reportedly been set for early november. on tuesday, the syrian military bombarded rebel areas in the north of the country with airstrikes and artillery, killing at least 90 people, according to activists. meanwhile, officials from the world food program said some 1.4 million people in syria required assistance last month, but the violence prevented workers from reaching some of those in need. citigroup ceo vikram pandit stepped down on tuesday in a surprise move following reported tensions with the banking president. he was credited with guiding citigroup through a nationwide financial crisis that indebted and displaced homeowners,
tanked the u.s. economy, and led to massive government bailouts, including $45 billion in funds to citigroup. in april, citigroup shareholders rejected a $15 million pay package for panned it in a landmark vote marking the first time stockowners at a financial sector giant had united to reject a massive compensation package. but the associated press reports pandit still made at least $56.4 million since joining the bank in december of 2007. a second citigroup executive, president and chief operating officer john havens, also resigned. and it was replaced by michael corbat, former ceo of the bank's europe, middle east, and africa division. the supreme court has paved the way for voters in ohio to cast ballots on the three days before the presidential election, refusing to hear an appeal by republicans attempting to curb early voting in the crucial battleground state. republicans had appealed a
lower-court decision reinstating early voting on the three days before the election for everyone, not just overseas voters and members of the military. in 2008 when obama won the state of ohio, more than 100,000 people cast ballots in the three days before the election. meanwhile in florida, another battleground state, a court has decided not to rule on the state's plan to purge nearly 200 voters from the rolls until after the election. florida had initially claimed to have identified nearly 200,000 possible non citizen voters, but that number was downgraded to about 2600. officials now say they have identified 190 people who are non-citizens. and the west bank, palestinian and israeli activists blocked on a highway into jerusalem tuesday to protest repeated attacks by jewish settlers on palestinian olive groves. israeli soldiers used tear gas and stun grenades against
protesters. hundreds of olive trees that provide a livelihood for palestinians in the west bank were uprooted, burned, or chopped down by settlers during the first week of the harvest this month. one protester condemned the attacks. >> today's activities to close out 443 to the palestinian lands time to gather the seller terrorists or uprooting all of trees and burning them, became as part of the popular committees to close this road and tell them where stronger in your streets, your weapons, and more settlers and should stop settler terrorism was there carrying out against our palestinian lands but according anything that gives life on this land, specifically the blessed jolive tree. >> in afghanistan, afghan officials in helmand province said a nato strike there killed three children from the same family as they were gathering fuel sunday. nato forces have reportedly been targeting nearby insurgents.
the new york times is reporting the afghan army is so riddled with desertions and low reenlist rates that it is forced to replace one-third of its ranks every year. deserters have complained about corrupt officers, low-quality food, and supplies and taliban intimidation. what concern over possible infiltration following a rash of insider attacks has tightened the recruitment process, the paper reports less than 1000 afghan military applicants were rejected over a six-month period ending september, while 30,000 or approved. and those are some of the headlines. this is "democracy now!," democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. president obama and republican challenger mitt romney sparred last night in their second of three debates. the debate took place on the campus of hofstra university on long island. third-party candidates were barred from participating. in a moment, we will be expanding last night's debate by including responses from three
third-party candidates to the put to the major party candidates. but we want to begin with green party nominee dr. jill stein. on tuesday, she and her running mate were arrested as they attempted to enter the debate site. "democracy now!" was there at the time of their arrest. >> we are here at the arcades of the american debate to say that we need to open up this debate and make it a full, fair, and inclusive debate. >> issued not to be whether or not you have billions of dollars that determines whether or not the american people can hear about your platform. >> our green and pain is on the ballot for 85% of -- campaign is on the ballot for 85% of voters. they deserve to know who their choices are in this election and the resolutions are. the commission on presidential
debates makes a mockery of democracy. by conducting this fate and >> do you have credentials? >> yes, we do. we have been on the ballot in 85% of the voters. >> this is an educational experience. >> we think it is more than that. >> you're going to be run over by a car. move in with the traffic cones critics ma'am, please. >> we're here to stand our ground. we're here to stand ground for the american people have been systematically locked out of these debates for decades by the commission on presidential debates. we think that the commission is entirely legitimate, that if
democracy truly prevailed, there were the no such commission, the debates would still be run by the league of women voters proved that the debates would be open with the criteria the league of women voters had always used, which is that if you've done the work to get on the ballot, if you're on the ballot and could actually win the electoral college by being on the ballot in enough states, that you deserve to be in the election and deserve to be heard. and that the american people actually deserve to hear choices which are not bought and paid for by multinational corporations and wall street. >> ladies and gentlemen, you are obstructing traffic. if you refuse to move, you are subject to arrest. >> come on, man. we will help you. >> thank you, ladies. >> watch the flag. >> come with us. >> thank you, ma'am. >> everybody, please, move back.
>> this is what democracy looks like in the 23rd century. i am afraid it will take some politics and courage [indiscernible] >> green party candidates jill stein and cheri honkala were held for about eight hours before being released. she joins us now in our studio as part of the expanding the debate special. before we go to it, jill stein, @what happened? you were arrested and held for eight hours? where and how? >> we were held at a specially created facility for detaining protesters at the debates. it appeared to be aware house which have been specially equipped. it was obviously -- that were prepared to handle a lot of people. they had many officers there. for the most time it was cheri honkala and myself could they felt the need to keep as tightly
secured in metal chairs. >> your hand cupped to chairs? >> for the entire duration of our time. >> how long were handcuffed? >> about eight hours we were charged only with violations, not even misdemeanors, yet they felt compelled despite having 13 officers there to keep these two women, mothers, handcuffed to the chairs the entire time. >> did you ask to be released? >> yes, we did. they said we could not be released because we might go wandering around with said, how about if we tell you we will stay in our chairs? they said no progress can cut to the cheers for eight hours. did you get to see the debate in the warehouse? >> absolutely not. once they're released as soon as the debate was over? >> they held as for about another half-hour to an hour and in the release does, telling us our car was waiting in the parking lot. it was actually a secret
service, that was waiting in the parking lot. we were not allowed to make a phone call. there was no phone working. we did not have hours. we have given them to our assistance. it was -- it took quite a bit of work to borrow a cellphone from someone in a gas station. there we are in the freezing cold. >> they did not give you an opportunity to make a phone call? >> they did allow me to return a phone call to my did not know we would be released so there were no arrangements made for a pick up. they told our staff they would be arrested if they continued to wait on site. so they had to leave. >> we are goingo go now to our expanding the debate. we will be joined by not only dr. jill stein, now released, who will join the debate, justice party presidential nominee rocky anderson, the former mayor of salt lake city,
fstra university on long island, we are going to include the voices of three presidential candidates shut out of last night's debate. dr. jill stein of the green party, rocky anderson of the justice party, and virgil goode of the constitution party. we begin at hofstra university with the debate moderator candy crowley of cnn. >> governor romney, you won the coin toss of the first question will go to you. i want to turn to a first-time voter, jeremy epstein, who has a question for you. >> mr. president, governor romney, as a 20-year-old college student, all i hear from professors, neighbors and others is that when i graduate, i will have little chance to get employment. what can you say to reassure me, and my parents, that i will be able to sufficiently support myself after i graduate? >> i appreciate your question and thank you for being here and all of those from nassau county that have come, thank you for
your time reid thank you to hofstra university in candy crowley for organizing and leading this event. thank you, mr. president, for being part of this debate. your question is one that is being asked by college kids all over this country. as in pennsylvania as adjust graduated in philadelphia, she said, i've got my degree but i cannot find my job. i've got three part-time jobs. they're just barely enough to pay for my food and apartment. i cannot begin to pay back my student loans. we have to make sure that we make it easier for kids to afford college. and make sure when they get out of college, there's a job. when i was governor of massachusetts, to get a high- school degree, you have to pass an exam. if he graduated in the top quarter of your class, we give you a john and abigail adams scholarship -- four years tuition-free to the college of your choice of massachusetts. it's a public institution. i want to make sure we keep our pell grant program growing. rosset 1 have our loan program
so that people are available -- are able to afford school. but the key thing is to make sure you can get a job when you get out of school. what has happened over the last four years has been very, very hard for america's young people to get a job. i know it takes to get this economy going. with half of college kids graduating this year without a college -- excuse me, without a job and without a college level job, that's unacceptable. and likewise, you got more debt. i'm going to change that. i know where it takes to create good jobs again. i know it takes to insure that you have the kind of opportunity you deserve. and kids across this country and recognize we're bringing back an economy. it is not want to be like the last four years. the middle class has been crushed over the last four years and jobs a been too scarce. i know it takes to bring them back. when you graduate? 2014. when you come out in 2014 -- i presume i'm going to be president -- i'm going to make sure you get a job.
>> mr. president. >> jeremy, first of all, your future is bright. the fact you're making investments in your education is critical. not just to you, but to the entire nation. now, the most important thing we can do is to make sure that we are creating jobs in this country, but not just jobs, good paying jobs, one second support a family. and what i want to do is build on the 5 million jobs that we've created over the last 30 m in the private sector alone. and there are a bunch of things we can do to make sure your future is bright. number one, i want to build a manufacturing job -- i want to build manufacturing jobs in this country again. when governor romney said we should let detroit go bankrupt, i said, we're going to bet on american workers and the american auto industry, and it has come surging back. i want to do that in industries not just in detroit, but all across the country. that means we change our tax code so we're giving incentives to companies that are investing here in the u.s. and creating
jobs here. it also means we're helping them and small businesses to export all around the world in new markets. number two, we've got to make sure that we have the best education system in the world. and the fact that you're going to college is great, but i want everybody to get a great education. we have worked hard to make sure that student loans are available for folks like you, but i also want to make sure the community colleges are offering slots for workers to get retrained for the jobs that are out there right now and the jobs of the future. number three, we have got to control our own energy. you know, not only oil and natural gas, which we have been investing in, but also we've got to make sure we're building the energy sources of the future, not just thinking about next year, but 10 years from now, 20 years from now. that's why we've invested in solar and wind and biofuels, energy-efficient cars. we've got to reduce our deficit, but and a balanced way. asking the wealthy to pay a little bit more along with cuts so that we can invest in education like yours. and let's take the money that
we've been spending on war over the last decade to rebuild america -- roads, bridges, schools. >> dr. jill stein, green party presidential candidate, your response? >> first to ensure that our students have a strong, secure, economic future, how about we bailout the students instead of bailing out the banks for the fourth time. the federal reserve just announced its latest quantitative easing where it will be spending $40 billion a month to bail out the banks, yet we of a gone nowhere with these bailouts. it is time to bail out the students instead so they can enter into their professional life, their careers without the deep burden of debt they currently have now read while you're at it, let's make public higher education free. we owe it to our young people to give them a good, strong start. to have the security that a college degree provides.
we provide a high school degree throughout the 20th century, but in the 21st, a college degree is essential for that security. we know it pays for itself from the g.i. bill in which every dollar taxpayers invested instead of public higher education, $7 was returned and economic benefits to the economy. as for jobs, we are calling for a program that has a track record at actually creating jobs that is a green new deal for america. we want to direct the great jobs, not simply provide tax breaks for corporations or tax breaks for the job creators to move their jobs to china or india. the green new deal will create 25 million jobs. we will put an end to unemployment. we will jumpstart the green economy. eans putting a halt to climate change as well as making wars for oil obsolete. the green new deal puts national resources, national funding into the hands of communities so they can decide what kinds of jobs they need to become sustainable
economically, socially, and environmentally. it includes a spectrum of jobs in the grain sector as well as jobs in our social needs and public services and public works like during the new deal that out is out of the depression. these are jobs you can get by going down not to an unemployment office, but to an employment office and actually getting a job as well as small businesses and worker-owned cooperatives. >> virgil goode, the constitution party. >> thank you very much. to get jobs in america, you neeeither president obama for governor romney areing on some of the key issues. first issue, we need to eliminate illegal immigration.
we need to keep illegals from taking jobs from american citizens. secondly, we need to have a near complete moratorium on green card emissions to this country until unemployment is under 5%. we give hundreds of thousands of green cards per year to working age persons that come into the united states, take good paying jobs from students that have just graduated like jeremy. we need to preserve jobs in america for american citizens first and none of the other presidential candidates are addressing this issue. it is not politically correct, but it is one thing we could do right away that jobs in america for american citizens first. i would also end obamacare, which is a real restraint on job creation among small businesses. they are fearful of the fines,
the taxes, and also the regulations that are going to be imposed on them under this. we can have more jobs and small businesses if obamacare is eliminated. i also favor more energy growth in all areas in this country. drilling for oil, drilling for natural gas from utilizing coal. i like alternatives, too, but we need to be energy independent, for is more energy in this country. it is helped russia and canada with thousands of jobs in those nations. these are the things we can do so that the jeremys will have jobs when they graduate. >> rocky anderson, the justice party. >> it was amazing to me to see the number one issue on people's minds in this country was the first question and the debate
last night and neither of the major party candidates answered it. the most we got out of mitt romney is he said, "i know how to create jobs." no problem -- he has already said he loves to fire people. he had no problem taking over companies, bringing out all the money he could, then firing people. then president obama, he has set our nation's record for the nexmost in a four-year period of over 8% unemployment he is not even ever suggested renegotiating the trade agreements that are responsible for sending so many millions of jobs overseas. we need leadership in this country. with people who care about those who are struggling, about young people who are so worried about their futures.
i absolutely agree, we don't let people out of college with discretion tuition debt. for the first time in our nation's history, there is more student debt then there is credit card debt. it is over $1 trillion. it takes students 2000 hours on average to pay for their@ tuition. when i was going to college, it took about 200 hours to pay for once tuition. we need to renegotiate our trade agreement so we are bringing these jobs back from overseas. we need to provide the kinds of incentives so that there is an equal playing ground for those employers who will hire united states workers and provide the kinds of good jobs that our young people should be looking forward to. president obama talks about his recovery and all the new jobs. the fact is, when we lost all these jobs in 2008 and 2009, 60%
of them were mid skill, at mid paying jobs and only 22% of the jobs in the so-called recovery are at that level. most are low-paying, low skill jobs. we also need a wpa-like projects where we're building up our nation's infrastructure and employing millions of people. we can do this, but not with these austerityrograms been proposed by both republicans and democrats. >> let's return to debate moderator candy crowley. >> let me ask you for more immediate answer, beginning with mr. ron -- mr. romney brent 40% had been unemployed. what about those long term unemployed who need a job right now? >> what you're saying is 23 million people struggling to
find a job. one of them as to say, candy, have been out of work for a long, long, long time. the president's policies have been exercised over the last four years and have not put americans back to work. we have fewer people working today with them when the president took office the unemployment rate was 7.8% in the took office. it's 720% now. if you calculated that unemployment rate taking back the people who dropped out of the workforce, it would be 10.7%. we have not made the progress we need to make to work rid that's why i put out a five-point plan that gets america 12 billion in new jobs in four years and rising take- home pay. it's one hell jimmy get a job when he comes out of school. it's going help people across the country better unemployed now. one thing i want to make sure we understand, the president said that i said we should take detroit bankrupt. that's right, my plan was to have the company go through bankruptcy like 7-eleven did and macy's and connell airlines and
come out stronger. and i know he keeps saying, you wanted to take detroit bankrupt. well, the president took detroit bankrupt. you took general motors bankrupt. you took chrysler bankrupt. so you say i wanted to take the auto industry bankrupt, you actually did. and i think it is important the that was a process that was necessary to get those companies back on their feet, so they could start hiring more people. that is precisely what i recommended and ultimately what happened. >> let me give the president a chance but >> can become a what governor romney said just isn't true. he wanted to take them into bankruptcy without providing them with any way to stay open and we we lost a million jobs. don't take my word for it, take the executives at gm and chrysler, some of whom are republicans, may even support governor romney. but tell tell you his prescription wasn't going to work. and governor romney says he's got a five-point plan. governor romney has a one-point plan. and that plan is to make sure
that folks at the top play by different set of rules. that has been his philosophy and the private sector, as governor, his philosophy as a presidential candidate. you can make a lot of money and pay lower tax rates than somebody who makes a lot less. you can ship jobs overseas and get tax breaks for it. you can invest in a company, bankrupt it, lay off workers, strip away their pensions, and you still make money. that's exactly the philosophy that we've seen in place for the last decade. that's what's been squeezing middle-class families. and we have fought back for four years to get out of that mess, and the last thing we need to do is to go back to the very same policies that got us there. >>ocky anderson of the justice party. >> president obama promised four years ago that he would push for an increase in the minimum-wage
to $9.50 by 2011. that is one of his many broken promises to working people in this country. the best job creators are working people who have money in their pockets who will spend. one way would be to provide for more consumer spending to build more jobs and help small businesses in this country. to get back to 1968 minimum wage levels, it would require a minimum wage of $10.55. it is time we raise the minimum wage and there would be a great rebel affect impacting the wages of some 30 million people in this country. >> virgil goode of the constitution party. >> thank you. mayor anderson is priebus respas right on target about these free trade agreements. when i was in congress, i voted
against consistently these agreements that have cost so many american jobs in the united states. as he said, they need to be renegotiated with the emphasis on bringing jobs to this country instead of sending them overseas. what we have are some of the big political donors on the super pacs, promoting more these trade agreements which cost us jobs. another reason that we need to end political action committees and have only individual donations with their donations been disclosed completely with names and addresses and other information, that would enhance our economy in directly because we would not do some anything's that benefit a few and not the majority of people who want jobs in america for u.s. citizens. >> dr. jill stein of the green party. >> the question really pointed to this jobs emergency,
especially for the unemployed. for the chronically unemployed. there's some 3 million to 4 million people who are in that category. that is one of the wonderful things about our green new deal plan. you can find all the details and jillstein.org. one of the things would put people back to work on an emergency basis and would hire people in public works and public services, which as we know, from the new deal, can create millions of jobs in a matter of months. so one of the ways to put people to work frequently is in an emergency program to weatherize and to insulate our homes, government buildings, schools, and businesses. and doing this, we can put people to work, especially low income, and people who do not have more than or may not even have a high school degree. we can directly create jobs but at the same time, meet the climate of emergency, which also leaves really dramatic,
prompt solution. >> we're going to take a break, then come back to this expanding the debate special. with dr. jill stein of the green party, rocky anderson of the justice party, virgil goode of the constitution party, mitt romney of the republican party, and president barack obama of the democratic party. back in a moment. ♪ [music break]
go to the debate last night. justice party nominee rocky anderson, the former mayor of salt lake city. and in rocky mount, virginia, constitution party nominee virgil goode, the former six- term congressman who was first elected as a democrat and later switched to the republican party. we are reairing parts of last as presidential debate, pausing to give third-party candidates a chance to respond the same questions put to republican mitt romney and democrat president barack obama. we return to debate moderator candy crowley of cnn. >> lorraine osarios has a question for you. >> how are you doing? romney, what are your -- what you plan on doing with immigrants without their green cards and are currently living here as productive members of
society. >> thank you. thank you for your question. let me step back and tell you what i would like to do with our immigration policy broadly and include an answer to your question. first of all, this is a nation of immigrants. we welcome people coming to this country as immigrants. my dad was born in mexico of american parents. my wife's that was born in wales and is a first-generation american. we welcome legal immigrants into this country. i want our legal system work better. i wanted to be streamlined. i don't think he should have to hire a lawyer to figure out how to get into this country legally. i also think we should give visas to people -- green cards, rather, to people who graduate with skills that we need. people around the world with accredited degrees in science and math, get a green card stapled to their diploma, come to the u.s. aid. we should make sure our legal system works. we should stop illegal immigration. there are 4 million people who
are waiting in line to get here legally. those have come here illegally take their place, so i will not grant amnesty to those who come here illegally. i will put in place an employment revocation system and make sure that employers that hire people have come here illegally are sanctioned for doing so. i will put them place magnets for people coming here illegally, so for instance, i would not give driver's licenses to those who've come here illegally as the president would. the kids of those that came here illegally, those kids i think should have a pathway to become a permanent resident of the united states. and military service, for instance, is one way that would have that kind of pathway to become a permanent resident. when the president ran for place in his first year a piece of legislation, he would file a bill in his first year that would reform our immigration system, protect legal immigration and stop illegal immigration. he did not do it. he had a democrat house and democrat senate, supermajority in both houses.
why did he fail to even promote legislation that would provide an answer for those that want to come here legally and for those that are here illegally today? that's a question i think the president will have a chance to answer right now. >> i look forward to it. was it lorraine? lorraine. we are in a nation of immigrants. we're just a few miles away from ellis island. we all understand what this country has become because talent from around the world wants to come here, people who are willing to take risks, people who want to build on their dreams and make sure their kids have an even bigger dreams than they have. but were also a nation of laws. so what i've said is we need to fix a broken immigration system a've done everything that i can on my own and sought cooperation from congress to make sure that we fix this system. first thing we did was to streamline the legal immigration
system to reduce the backlog, make it easier, simpler, and cheaper for people who are waiting in line, obeying the law, to make sure they can come here and contribute to our country. and that is good for our economic growth. they will start businesses. it will make things happen to create jobs here in the united states. number two, we do have to deal with our border. we have put more border patrol on any -- more border patrol on than anytime in history, and the flow across undocumented workers across the border is lower than it has been in 40 years. i've also said is if we're going to go after folks who are here illegally, we should do it smartly and go after folks or criminals, gang bangers, people who are hurting the community, not after students, not after folks who are here just because they're trying to figure out how to feed their families, and that is what we have done. and what i've also said is, for young people who come here, brought here oftentimes by their parents, have gone to school here, pledged allegiance to the
flag, think of this as their country, understand themselves as americans in every way except having papers, then we should make sure that we give them a pathway to citizenship, and that's what i've done a administratively. now, governor romney just said that, you know, he wants to help those young people, too. but during the republican primary, he said, i will be to the dream act that would allow these young people to have access. his main strategy during the republican primary was to say, we're going to encourage self deportation, making life so miserable on folks that they will leave. he called the arizona law a model for the nation. part of the arizona law said that law-enforcement officers could stop folks because they suspected maybe looked like they might be undocumented workers and checked their papers. and you know what, if my daughter or yours looks to somebody like they're not a citizen, i don't want -- i don't
want to empower somebody like that. so we can fix this system and a comprehensive way and when governor romney says the challenges, well, obama did not try, that is not true. i sat down with democrats and republicans at the beginning of my term and said -- let's fix this system, including senators previously who supported on the republican side. but it is very hard for republicans in congress to support comprehensive immigration reform if their standard bearer has said that this is not something i'm interested in supporting. >> virgil goode, your response? >> thank you. we need to totally and immigration. we are rewarding people come
here with jobs. it is the wrong way to do it. if you're here illegally, stealing a job from an american citizen, i am going to do all i can to put an american citizen in that job and not somebody that hssed our border, come into the country and violated our laws. jobs in america should be for u.s. citizens first. and unlike obama and romney, romney clarified what he said for the arizona legislation. he was only saying that e-verify was a model. i said the whole bill of their son was a model. -- of the arizona bill was a model. we will also be supporting alabama. we are going to stop the illegal immigration and stop the coddling and catering that is
exhibited by the obama administration and that will be followed through by romney. i am the only candidate that will not be in favor of the attaching a green card to a foreign student's graduation diploma. we need to have u.s. citizens first and our american institutions. i've got stacks of recommendations and requests for students atigh-school level to go to college. we need to preserve u.s. college admissions for u.s. citizens first instead of trying to bring in everyone from every country around the world. it is time for the president to put citizenship first and i will print >> rocky anderson of the justice party. >> we need to recognize that for decades, our government in the corporate sector have acted in collusion.
that come into the country with a legal documentation so they could fill jobs in certain sectors of our economy. most of the people, the vast majority have been hard-working people with great family values, contriving to their communities, investing in their communities, paying taxes, paying toward social security that they will never take out of the system. and we know it to everyone involved never to make these people live in the shadows any longer.
this is the only way that we can move forward. president obama promised four years ago major reform of our immigration laws but he has built to do that instead, he is deported more people than any other president and a four-year period. >> dr. jill stein, the green party. >> first, let's be clear, our jobs took a nosedive because wall street crash the economy. our jobs went overseas. due to nafta and other free trade agreements which barack obama has expanded. in fact, it is not immigrants that have caused problems in our economy. it is rather this predatory economic policies fostered by an economic and political elite. in fact, immigrants did not come to this country lured by jobs
the spike in undocumented immigrants occurred massively spiked after nafta basically put millions of small farmers out of business and people were forced to migrate here as economic refugees in order to feed their families. we actually want to provide a welcoming and legal path to the immigrants who have always been the backbone of our economy, the backbone of diversity that makes this country great. and while the president took a very small step forward, this is a very inadequate step to simply provide to your worker permits to the dreamers and basically they run into a brick wall of we need to actually provide a welcoming pass and legal path to citizenship for the undocumented americans who were critical parts of our economy and of our community. >> i want to end this hour on libya and last month's deadly
attack on the u.s. embassy in benghazi. this is mitt romney's response to a question. >> i think it is interesting the president said something which is on the day after the attack. he went into the rose garden and said this was an act of terror. you said in the rose garden the day after the attack was an act of terror. it was not a spontaneous demonstration. >> please proceed, governor. >> i want to make sure we get that for the record. it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in benghazi an act of terror. >> get the transcript. >> he did in fact, sir, call it an act of terror. >> can you say that a little louder. it did as well take two weeks or so for the whole idea of there being a riot out there abo@ this tape to come out pretty are correct about that. you have 45 seconds.
>> i think the important issue here is that we went into libya joined with our allies without any authorization from congress. this is the real long-term question that ought to be addressed. do we allow one person to act as a dictator and determine whether our country goes to war or do we in compliance with the war powers clause of the and on the state's constitution seek a determination from congress that there is reason for our country to engage in acts of war? this is an ongoing problem with the drone attacks, greeting more hatred and hostility toward the united states and sovereign nations. we need to get back to the fundamentals. this is the important question that we should all be addressing and congress needs to live up to its constitutional responsibility. >> v goode.
>> if i were president, we would not have had the ambassador in that group in libya. we would not be there unless congress, as provided in the u.s. constitution, made a declaration of war. we would not be dictated and suggested to by the united nations and other countries of the world. we need to follow the constitutional process, the constitutional process would be for congress to make a declaration. so if i had been president, the incident would never have happened and you would not be in an argument on how much the state department knew and when and whether they provided sufficient security. if they were not there, they would not have been killed. >> dr. jill stein of the green party. >> the tragedy in libya, i think, is a very good case in point. it really shows how to get tough international policy has really been extremely
unproductive, has reproduced the opposite effect of what was intended. and we are seeing this down not only in lbut in the demonstrations against u.s. embassies across the middle east and the fact the afghanistan army is shooting at u.s. soldiers, the war effort really is not being turned over to an afghan army. the afghan army itself has a very high desertion rate. we need a foreign policy based not on tough guy militarism, but on international law and respect for human rights, not on wars for oil. >> i want to urge you to stay tuned for our expanding the debate special b. if your station is not caring the second hour, you can watch and at democracynow.org. democracy now! is looking for feedback from people who appreciate the closed captioning. e-mail your comments to